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Experimental new unit structures

Post by Teppudama » Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:34 am

So, I have been playing with this concept for a long time, and I am finally to the point of talking about it to gather more opinions on the concept. I came up with this idea because of the way Clans were originally, since back then we were using Lance structures and automatically out matched in most engagements, then the Word of Blake/Comstar Level 1 units made the under gunned feeling even worse, so I revamped the concept further and have worked hard to incorporate the combined arms to a higher potential then I had before.
Being a bit of a self studied student of history, I have always had a thing for the Greeks and Romans, so I chose to use some words from their military structure to name these, no real reason other then that.

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Phallanx: The most basic unit structure of 8 individual combat units.  Categorized by the main type of unit that they are comprised of, the Phallanx is the smallest deployed unit used in the Crimson Ace Dragoons.  A typical Phallanx would be 4 Battlemechs, 2 Vehicles and 2 Platoons of Conventional Infantry or 2 Squads of Battle Armor Infantry, but can also be any other combination of units, such as 6 Battle Armor Squads and 2 Infantry Carriers or 2 Battlemechs, 4 Vehicles and 2 Platoons of Conventional Infantry.

Cohort: A Cohort is comprised of 3 Phallanx, and is classified by the dominant unit type, such as Battlemech, Vehicle or Infantry.  In addition to the normal units, it also has an assigned flight of aerospace fighters or conventional fighters.

Century: An advanced unit structure that is comprised of 3 Cohorts with a Command Phallanx element that has an assign Artillery unit.  Additionally a Century also has the assigned Aerospace or Conventional Fighter elements of the individual Cohorts and assigned Space Naval Assets to transport it all.

Legion: A Legion is the maximum unit size of the assigned combat units that comprise the Crimson Ace Dragoons, which is comprised of 3 Century elements, a Command Cohort and all assigned Aerospace/Conventional Fighter and Artillery assets.  Additionally there is a Century of Supporting elements, such as medical, maintenance and administrative units.  Space Naval assets are also assigned an additional Cohort of Aerospace for Close Air Support and Security Flight details.

So, opinions welcome, let me know what you guys think.
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Post by Steve Ronin » Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:20 am

Methinks that you need to rename your 'company' as a Century.
Fits better with your naming convention.
and it is a closer match to what you're putting on the field.
Your 'company' of 80 units is much closer to the traditional 'century' than the accepted 12 unit company.
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Post by Teppudama » Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:49 pm

Why didn't I think of that?!?! Thanks Steve, that totally makes sense!!!
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Post by thatjimboguy » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:01 am

I love the concept... And it makes sense for a company of mercs to have their own unit structure.
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Post by Teppudama » Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:39 am

Thank you, I am working on getting a little more flushing out of the unit structure as I have time (which I really don't at the moment), so I am going to do a little shuffling around of the Infantry basic unit structures for conventional and BA, then work out a Special Operations structure as well. Aerospace is going to be last, as I am getting ideas from a friend who was in the Navy and knows fighter wings very well.
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Post by thatjimboguy » Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:09 pm

Awesome. Let us know how your unit structure turns out.
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Post by Teppudama » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:00 am

"The Alpha Spades"; Alpha Century, 1st Legion, Crimson Ace Dragoons, with HQ Phallanx "Omega Spade":

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Alpha Century HQ Phallanx, 1st Phallanx 1st Legion Command Cohort “the Omega Spades”					
Mini Available	Model Name	Variant	Pilot	Source	Classification
Yes	Centurion	Command	Jon Nathans	CAV	Assault
NTP	Akuma	Prime		MWDA	Assault
Yes	Hellstar	Prime		MWDA	Assault
NTP	Emperor	Prime		IWM	Assault
Yes	Mobile HQ	Vehicle		MWDA	HQ Vee
Yes	M1 Marksman Tank	Vehicle		MWDA	AsTank
Yes	Longinus	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battlearmor
Yes	Longinus	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battlearmor
					
“The Alpha Spades”; 1st Century, 1st Cohort					
1st Phallanx					
Yes	Hellstar	Prime		MWDA	Assault
Yes	Jupiter	Prime		MWDA	Assault
NTP	Tiamat	Prime		CAV	Assault
NTP	Tiamat	Prime		CAV	Assault
Yes	Shamash Recon Vehicle	Vehicle		MWDA	Hover
Yes	Shamash Recon Vehicle	Vehicle		MWDA	Hover
Yes	Cavalier	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battlearmor
Yes	Cavalier	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battlearmor
2nd Phallanx					
NTP	Naginata	Command		IWM	Assault
NTP	Katana	Slave		CAV	Heavy
Yes	Deimos	Slave		IWM	Assault
NTP	Gnomic	Slave		CAV	Heavy
Yes	Scimitar Mk.II	Vehicle		MWDA	Hover
Yes	Scimitar Mk.II	Vehicle		MWDA	Hover
Yes	Longinus	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battlearmor
Yes	Longinus	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battlearmor
					
3rd Phallanx					
Yes	Scourge	Prime		MWDA	Medium
Yes	Avalanche	Prime		MWDA	Medium
Yes	Avalanche	Prime		MWDA	Medium
Yes	Avalanche	Prime		MWDA	Medium
Yes	Enyo Strike Tank	Vehicle		MWDA	Tracked
Yes	Enyo Strike Tank	Vehicle		MWDA	Tracked
Yes	Longinus	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battlearmor
Yes	Longinus	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battlearmor
					
1st Century, 2nd Cohort					
1st Phallanx					
NTP	Clint			IWM	Medium
NTP	Jackrabbit	Joker		IWM	Light
Yes	Vixen			MWDA	Light
Yes	Hellion			MWDA	Light
Yes	Maxim Mk. II	Vehicle		MWDA	Hover
Yes	Maxim Mk. II	Vehicle		MWDA	Hover
Yes	Infiltrator Mk.II	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battlearmor
Yes	Infiltrator Mk.II	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battlearmor
					
2nd Phallanx					
NTP	Hammer	HMR-7C3		IWM	Light
NTP	Hammer	HMR-7M		IWM	Light
NTP	Toro	TR-N-9		IWM	Light
NTP	Toro	TR-N-9		IWM	Light
Yes	Maxim Mk. II	Vehicle		MWDA	Hover
Yes	Maxim Mk. II	Vehicle		MWDA	Hover
Yes	Hauberk	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battlearmor
Yes	Hauberk	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battlearmor
					
3rd Phallanx					
Yes	Dragon	Prime		IWM	Heavy
Yes	Dragon	Prime		IWM	Heavy
Yes	Uziel	Prime		MWDA	Medium
Yes	Uziel	Prime		MWDA	Medium
Yes	Cizin	Vehicle		MWDA	Hover
Yes	Cizin	Vehicle		MWDA	Hover
Yes	Cizin	Vehicle		MWDA	Hover
Yes	Cizin	Vehicle		MWDA	Hover
					
1st Century, 3rd Cohort					
1st Phallanx					
Yes	Centurian	Prime		IWM	Medium
Yes	Corvis	Prime		IWM	Medium
Yes	MHI Amphibious APC	Vehicle		MWDA	Wheeled
Yes	MHI Amphibious APC	Vehicle		MWDA	Wheeled
Yes	Hauberk	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battlearmor
Yes	Hauberk	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battlearmor
Yes	Hauberk	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battlearmor
Yes	Hauberk	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battlearmor
					
2nd Phallanx					
NTP	Vulcan	Prime		IWM	Medium
Yes	Enforcer	Prime		IWM	Medium
Yes	Enforcer	Prime		IWM	Medium
NTP	Clint	Prime		IWM	Medium
Yes	Joust Medium Tank	Vehicle		MWDA	Tracked
Yes	Joust Medium Tank	Vehicle		MWDA	Tracked
Yes	JES III Missile Carrier	Vehicle		MWDA	Wheeled
Yes	JES III Missile Carrier	Vehicle		MWDA	Wheeled
					
3rd Phallanx					
Yes	Sniper Artillery Vehicle	Artillery		MWDA	Tracked
Yes	Sniper Artillery Vehicle	Artillery		MWDA	Tracked
Yes	Danai Support Vehicle	Artillery		MWDA	Wheeled
Yes	Danai Support Vehicle	Artillery		MWDA	Wheeled
Yes	Donar Assault VTOL	VTOL		MWDA	VTOL
Yes	Yasha VTOL	VTOL		MWDA	VTOL
Yes	Crow Scout VTOL	VTOL		MWDA	VTOL
Yes	Crow Scout VTOL	VTOL		MWDA	VTOL
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Post by BlackHornet » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:38 am

For this "1st Century, 1st Cohort, 1st Phallanx"
I think I'd replace the Naginata with either Archers or CAV Tiamats or even a Ha Otoko.
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Post by Teppudama » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:40 pm

Been thinking about that, since the Naginata is more of a command asset anyway.
Reassigned a pair of Tiamat to those positions, assigned one of the Naginata to command 2nd Phallanx, 1st Century, 1st Cohort, the other Naginatas are unassigned at this time while I work on the other Century formations.
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Beta Century HQ Phallanx, 2nd Phallanx, 1st Legion Command C

Post by Teppudama » Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:07 am

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Beta Century HQ Phallanx, 2nd Phallanx, 1st Legion Command Cohort; “Psi Spades”					
Mini Available	Model Name	Variant	Pilot	Source	Classification
NTP	Cyclops		LtCol.Michael
Ehrndorph	IWM	Assault
NTP	Battlemaster			IWM	Assault
NTP	Banshee			IWM	Assault
NTP	Awesome			IWM	Assault
Yes	Morning Star HQ	Vehicle		MWDA	Mobile HQ
Yes	Huitzilopochtli Assault	Vehicle		MWDA	Artillery
Yes	Cizin	Vehicle		MWDA	Hover
Yes	Cizin	Vehicle		MWDA	Hover
					
1st Company, 1st Cohort “Urban Warfare”					
1st Phallanx					
NTP	Vindicator			IWM	Medium
Yes	Hatchetman			IWM	Medium
NTP	Firestarter			IWM	Light
NTP	Vulcan			IWM	Medium
Yes	Tokugawa Hvy Tank	Vehicle		MWDA	Wheeled
Yes	Tokugawa Hvy Tank	Vehicle		MWDA	Wheeled
Yes	Hauberk	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battle Armor
Yes	Hauberk	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battle Armor
					
2nd Phallanx					
NTP	Wyvern	Prime		IWM	Medium
NTP	Hunchback	Prime		IWM	Medium
Yes	Urbanmech	Prime		IWM	Light
NTP	Urbanmech	Prime		IWM	Light
Yes	Alacorn Mk. VI	Vehicle		MWDA	Tracked
Yes	Alacorn Mk. VI	Vehicle		MWDA	Tracked
Yes	Hauberk	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battle Armor
Yes	Hauberk	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battle Armor
					
3rd Phallanx					
Yes	Mars Assault Vehicle	Vehicle		MWDA	Tracked
Yes	Mars Assault Vehicle	Vehicle		MWDA	Tracked
Yes	Sekhemet	Vehicle		MWDA	Tracked
Yes	Sekhemet	Vehicle		MWDA	Tracked
Yes	Ravager	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battle Armor
Yes	Ravager	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battle Armor
Yes	Ravager	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battle Armor
Yes	Ravager	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battle Armor
					
1st Company, 2nd Cohort					
1st Phallanx					
NTP	Exterminator			IWM	Heavy
NTP	Clint			IWM	Medium
NTP	Clint			IWM	Medium
Yes	Commando			IWM	Light
Yes	Skanda Light Tank	Vehicle		MWDA	Tracked
Yes	Skanda Light Tank	Vehicle		MWDA	Tracked
Yes	Hauberk	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battle Armor
Yes	Hauberk	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battle Armor
					
2nd Phallanx					
NTP	Mercury			IWM	Light
NTP	Mercury			IWM	Light
NTP	Mongoose			IWM	Light
NTP	Mongoose			IWM	Light
Yes	Tamerlane Strike Sled	Vehicle		MWDA	Hover
Yes	Tamerlane Strike Sled	Vehicle		MWDA	Hover
Yes	Infiltrator Mk.II	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battle Armor
Yes	Infiltrator Mk.II	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battle Armor
					
3rd Phallanx					
NTP	Hussar	HSR-200-D		IWM	Light
NTP	Hussar	HSR-200-D		IWM	Light
NTP	Talon	TNL-5W		IWM	Light
NTP	Talon	TNL-5W		IWM	Light
Yes	Regulator Hover Tank	Vehicle		MWDA	Hover
Yes	Regulator Hover Tank	Vehicle		MWDA	Hover
Yes	Bellona Hover Tank	Vehicle		MWDA	Hover
Yes	Scimitar Mk.II	Vehicle		MWDA	Hover
					
1st Company, 3rd Cohort					
1st Phallanx					
NTP	Merlin	MLN-1C3		IWM	Heavy
NTP	Merlin	MLN-1A		IWM	Heavy
NTP	Caesar	CES-4R-C3		IWM	Heavy
NTP	Cataphract	CTF-3D-C3		IWM	Heavy
Yes	Hauberk	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battle Armor
Yes	Hauberk	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battle Armor
Yes	Hauberk	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battle Armor
Yes	Hauberk	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battle Armor
					
2nd Phallanx					
NTP	Kestral	KST-R4-C3		CAV	Medium
NTP	Kestral	KST-R4-L		CAV	Medium
NTP	Brigand	LDT-1C3		IWM	Light
NTP	Brigand	LDT-1C3		IWM	Light
Yes	Hauberk	Battle Armor			
Yes	Hauberk	Battle Armor			
Yes	Hauberk	Battle Armor			
Yes	Hauberk	Battle Armor			
					
3rd Phallanx					
Yes	Jaguar	Prime		MWDA	Light
Yes	Ranger	Prime		Jovian	Light
Yes	Ranger	Prime		Jovian	Light
Yes	Jaguar	Prime		MWDA	Light
Yes	Infiltrator Mk.II	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battle Armor
Yes	Infiltrator Mk.II	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battle Armor
Yes	Infiltrator Mk.II	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battle Armor
Yes	Infiltrator Mk.II	Battle Armor		MWDA	Battle Armor
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Post by BlackHornet » Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:52 am

For the Cataphract, I'd bug Centurion13 about getting the 3063 one up on shapeways.
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Post by Teppudama » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:15 pm

BlackHornet wrote:For the Cataphract, I'd bug Centurion13 about getting the 3063 one up on shapeways.
Really? What is teh difference?
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Post by BlackHornet » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:44 pm

It's something a mechwarrior would actually be proud to pilot.
http://www.wartairsoft.com/TRO3063WEB.pdf
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